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Hey, business besties. Welcome back to the Female Founder World Podcast. I'm Jasmine. I'm the host of the show. I'm the person behind all things female founder world, and today I'm chatting with Gab Baller. She's the founder of Sourced by and gab baller.com. She sources luxury fashion pieces for some really high profile celebrities.
We're gonna get into opportunities in the luxury space in what this sourcing business actually is and what she's doing. Gab, welcome to the show. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. Okay. Explain sourcing. What are you doing? Sourcing is, we work by request, so it's basically inbound requests that are coming directly from clients and.
It's for pieces that are hard to find sold out in demand trending, et cetera. I think the assumption that it is only new season luxury items, but we also source, you know, previous season and vintage pieces also. So it's anything that anytime a client or anyone has gone onto a website and seen the dreaded words.
Sold out. Mm-hmm. Or outta [00:01:00] stock. The next step is to contact our sourcer. Mm. Interesting. I'm gonna get into how you, how you kind of got into this line of work soon, but I wanna like zoom out and understand what the opportunity is here. Yes. Like what is this space like? I had never heard of a fashion saucer before.
I connected with you a year or so ago. Yes. What's the opportunity here? Why is this a space that is interesting? Why is it growing? Yes. How are people making money in this area? Absolutely. So when you think of sourcing, going back six years ago when I started, we've had personal shoppers and stylists around for a very, very long time.
So sources kind of sit in the category of those two industries, but we more so sit under the umbrella of. Personal shopping, whereas personal shopping is more proactive with the clients. You are making offerings to the client. You're saying, Hey, this is my suggestions for you.
Sourcing is all inbound. So it's where the client knows what they're looking for. They know what they want. They need a well connected [00:02:00] expert to find it for them. So we're really servicing like the time poor consumer. We've all had those days where, you know, you go onto a website, it's sold out, it's out of stock.
No one has the time to be deep diving the internet and contacting different stores, contacting different countries for that piece. So that's where a sourcer really steps in. When you kind of look at why sourcing is so successful, it's time efficiency, it's the personalization, the easy aspect of it.
Um, and it's also the, the rise of, you know, social media shopping clients. We're meeting clients where they're already at, they're on Instagram. The fact that they just have to DM us and say, find me this, uh, that's why it has, you know, grown. The way that it has. So we're in LA today, but you are Aussie like me.
Yes. How does an Aussie girl from Sydney get into this kind of work? Yeah, so started six years ago from uh, Sydney back in 2018, and I grew up in a really small town in Australia called Rockhampton. And I would say that I've [00:03:00] always had, I've always had this underlying desire to. Do something unique or to kind of stand out.
Growing up in a small town, it was hard to do so, so. Once I figured out that fashion was the industry that I wanted to be in, I dabbled in all different areas. I was like stylist, personal shopping, you know, buying retail. But I always knew that I wanted to do something that nobody else was doing. And my light bulb moment was actually on a trip to la I was in a store and I said to myself like, wow, they have so much stock here that I know Australia doesn't have.
So the original concept was that I would source pieces. Internationally for the Australian market. Uh, never did I think that it would grow into what it was, which I think is a good and a bad thing. Uh, but yeah, that's how I kind of got my start. And I started out in Australia and, you know, six months in it was a global client base.
Wow. So there was a moment I think when the business like really took off and you started getting [00:04:00] celebrity. Inquiries. Yes. What was that moment that kind of like took you from kind of like figuring this out and dabbling in it to, okay, this is like a scalable business.
Yes. So when I started out I was still working full time. I. Not many people know this, but I, my second passion is interiors, and when I started I knew that I didn't want, like any kind of conflict of interest, so I didn't wanna work at a fashion store or anything like that. So I was working for an interior business in Sydney and.
Within three months was when I knew that I was onto something and I could at least support myself. Mm-hmm. I still had my roommate and everything, um, but I could at least support myself to, you know, step away from that. Um, but essentially six months in was when the Rosie Huntington Whiteley story happened.
So tell us that story. Yes. So six months in, I was. Pretty much just servicing the Australian market. I really had got, I had [00:05:00] built at least a reputation within Sydney as being the girl that can find you things. Uh, but I think I had a thousand followers on Instagram, very tiny kind of scale that I was working on.
But Rosie Huntington Whiteley posted on her stories that she was looking for a particular Seline coat. And I said to myself at the time, I said, I know I can get that coat, um, but I have no way of reaching Rosie. So I let it. Simmer for about a week. And then a mutual friend that I had been speaking with on Instagram, she's based here in the us, she messaged me, she's like, Hey, I've been watching what you're doing.
I think you can like find things. Um, I'm in contact with Rosie. Do you think you can find her this coat? And I knew that I, at that time, I could find the coat. I. Boutique in Denmark had it. Uh, so it happened very quickly. I, uh, she connects me with Rosie. I let her know that I found it, and I did say very gently, you know.
It would mean the world to me that when you receive this code, you could [00:06:00] post a story tagging me and Rosie. Good for you. I know it's very Yes. And like she did pay full price. Mm-hmm. There was no even, um, you know, discount or anything. No incentive for her to have to do that. But when she received the code, not only did she do like a 10 part series, story series being like, Hey guys, remember when I was looking for this code?
Oh wow. This girl in Australia found it. She also posted it on her Instagram feed. So. That kind of, I remember waking up that morning and everything was just blowing up. Um, but within 24 hours she said, Hey, I wanna connect you with. A friend of mine who was also looking for the same coat, and it was Haley Bieber.
Wow. So, yeah. So that was within 20, my, within 24, 48 hours, my life had completely changed. Wow. I hope you, you bought a drink for that friend who was the first mutual connection. Yes. I know, I know. She lives in Arizona now and done. Yeah. Like truly have anything to everything. Thank you. If you're listening.
Yes. , you literally built the business DMing people on [00:07:00] Instagram. That's how you started getting customer inquiries and doing your customer service. When did you go from that to something more like robust? Yes. So essentially how I started is, and I always say, you know, I am very grateful for starting in a market such as Australia.
I think it had. There was an advantage to starting in a smaller market more, you know, people were more inclined to give me an opportunity, but when I started I was kind of swarming, , Facebook pages. There were a lot of Facebook groups that are, I think still around to this day that are fashion, women are on there saying, sharing, , the latest purchases.
That's how I started. I would message them on there and be like, Hey, I saw that you were looking for this shoe, like I can find you it. , but I think, you know, going along the journey, so starting in 2018, the rosy thing happening in like the beginning of 2019, if I look back on my journey, perhaps like the biggest regret or mistake that I had is [00:08:00] that I did.
Wait too long to hire my first assistant. I think I held onto the feeling of like, I can do it all. This is, , my baby. And like this is, I can, this is all manageable just by me. Um, so I think once I finally let go of that and knew that in order to scale I did have to hire. How did you let go of that?
I, oh, it was tough. I would say that, . I really had no other option. Yeah, I think I was like really hitting almost burnout. Yeah. It was December of 2019 and I had just been like running after like the wheels turning for, that was like a 12 month period at that stage. And I just knew that and I, that, that, that year was so massive for me that I just knew that if I didn't get help, I would.
Essentially crumble. Like I wouldn't be able, like the business wouldn't sustain itself. So I think once I kind of let go of that and started to hire, that's when I say, okay, this is, you know, a robust machine that I want to to grow even more. And your, , up until [00:09:00] now, a new tech product that you're building, which we'll talk about in a second. Yeah. Really, , your biggest cost is like your team and your manpower. So it's such a clever way of, of building . Something that I find really interesting about your business model is how, , how like low risk it is. So many of the people in our community are building consumer products that are really cash intensive and you need to have mass brand awareness, be able to sell at a high volume.
But you have this like really, um, high value customer. And fewer of them. When we're talking about CPG in comparison, I'm interested in how, how you think about that and how you think about scaling a business that has those, like really, I think, , favorable elements. Yes. So within the sourcing industry, the business.
It's a service based business just to kick off with, so we only get paid when we provide that service. So similar to, you know, personal shoppers, stylists, mm-hmm. Um, they operate in a very similar way, but for [00:10:00] a very long time it's been a commission based industry. And when I started, I have always opted to do flat rate.
And why, ? I would say that in the early days I was never. I was never chasing profit or never started thinking that this would be what it is. So when I went back and I started, I said, I'm going to get paid a flat rate fee per item that I find. Um, looking into the business model now, I think of, you know, you could.
It, the, the way I explained it of the years is like it's an hourly rate based off, how long it takes us to find an item, but the flat rate fee, I will advocate to the moon that it is the highest generating like revenue for this model. Because when you go the commission rate, which is anywhere between like 3% to 10%, even higher, some, others charge, , you lose the client.
You [00:11:00] lose the client. Because there's no transparency, it could be different per item. Or if it's a flat rate, the clients know that, that it's going to be that every single time. They're more inclined to submit more requests more frequently, , because they know, okay, great. No matter what GAB finds, it's just this flat rate where it's like.
No matter what Gab finds, it could be 6% or 10% or 3%. They don't know. . So it has really proven to be the best revenue option for us. , I wanna talk a little bit about your plans now for a new app. Mm-hmm. You're building something, is it? Has it launched yet? We are launching our beta at the end of the month.
Okay. Congratulations. That's huge. Thank you. Why did you just, you had this kind like business that's working really well. I mm-hmm. I think you got to the point where you had, was it 10 employees? Yes. Yes. Amazing. Yes. So you had 10 employees. The business is growing, you're getting all of these amazing celebrity clients.
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So the the interesting thing is, is that from the outside looking in, you would think that, oh, Gabs a miracle worker. She can find everything. She's, she's a genius. She's. And that is of course, you know, six years worth of building my reputation.
Mm-hmm. But the statistic that I do not like to admit is that we, because of the technology that we use, and because we don't have technology to really power the sourcing industry, gab, Willa can only find 30% of our requests at present. Mm. So 70% of requests missed revenue is sitting there. And when you kind of even look at the GM v, it, it's, ooh, it's high.
Um, so. I think for me it wasn't an issue of, oh, this is going to be complicated. It's like, I can't scale this any [00:14:00] further. Yeah. Unless I have technology to support this business. So we're really building the technology to, the slogan is to find more, I want to get our request up to like a 90% level. And I believe that we can, but we can't at the moment based off, you know, it's so.
People don't realize like how time intensive and manual and complicated it is behind the scenes because we don't have the tech, we are using all these different platforms and it is, it's unfortunately messy behind the scenes. Okay. So how do you, like, I, I wanna understand actually like what the tech is Yes.
And how it helps you source. Like what does it do? Yes. So source by, at least for phase one, it is. B2B. So it's purely just for behind the scenes, it won't touch the client. So the client experience, when we kind of zoomed out and I looked at the overall sourcing experience, the client's happy, the client loves being able to DM us and just say, you know, find me this, you know, we're meeting the client where they're at, which is on social media.
Mm-hmm. Um, to go and have to tell them, Hey, you now need to download an app to communicate with us, that's not gonna go down well. So [00:15:00] that's not the plan for phase one. The plan for phase one is source buy is an. All in one AI automated platform that streamlines every aspect of the fashion sourcing process.
So what that essentially entails that once the client submits the request through Instagram, predominantly, we at present are manually typing that in, mm-hmm. To our platform that we're using. And that's taking one of my team members around two to three hours a day. Okay. So we're using AI to do that automatically and then really streamlining all the backend.
So from the backend, we then jump into. Zero to invoice the client, then we jump into monday.com to facilitate the orders. Like there are so many different platforms. Yeah. And we just streamline streamlining it into the all in one platform. Uh, so that's at least for, for phase one to kind of consolidate the messiness that happens behind the scenes.
Interesting. Yes. What's phase two? Phase two is the consumer side is certainly something I'm not. Turning a blind eye too. Yeah. I just know that it needs to be [00:16:00] done right And, it's not gonna be an overnight. Okay. Everyone's now going to be submitting their request for this app because we've had, you know, six years worth of consumer acquisition through social media and, and that's how clients that their behavior has.
Been prone to social media. So to flip that overnight, it's not going to happen. , so it's something that I'm open to, but we just wanna be doing it very strategically and, and the right way. I know that you've hired a CTO, right? Yes. Someone on the tech side. Um, but AI is something, and Ag agentic AI at the, is coming up a lot in conversations that I'm having with different founders.
And I'm curious whether as you're building the tech, are you using like existing platforms? Have you dabbled in existing platforms that you think people should go and explore or that are really good? Or are you like building this from scratch? Uh, for the, for the like to build this tech? Yeah. Um, that's a great question.
I mean, everything that we're building is our own, but I know that we're, you know, open AI is, yeah, by far the one that we are leveraging the most. [00:17:00] Um. It's an interesting thing. If we tried to launch Source by two years ago, we wouldn't have been able to do so without the open ai. Yeah. Wow. Features and advancements.
And even just this morning his, um, Scott's A CTO, um, he was saying, you know, there's an up, a new feature coming that they're releasing. I think he sent a couple of weeks. That's going to even further enhance our source by technology. Mm-hmm. So to me, again, like timing is, is everything. And we couldn't have launched it or couldn't have the tech, our, our tech wouldn't be as advanced as it is without OpenAI.
Uh, but yeah, that's truly the one that I would recommend really familiarizing yourself with. I'm so curious about this switch that you've, that you are making or you're in the process of making of like. Running this like very clear, like sourcing fashion business and you are becoming like a, a tech founder.
Yes. How do you feel making that switch? I love it. I think for me, good for you. Yeah. I think, you know, gab is my [00:18:00] baby. Yeah. And it always will be. I think I, I really am loving source buy because it's challenging me. I'm learning so much, there's so much newness involved with it. And. A big motivator for me too is tech is the future.
Like, if we don't do this now, we are going to be left behind. Uh, so there was, there was truly, it was a matter of, Hey, I'm, I'm loving this and I'm enjoying it, but it's like, no, I need to, mm-hmm. The business needs to do this. We're going to get left behind. Uh, so I'm really leaning into it and I'm really enjoying it.
Did you raise money to make the switch? So we have raised a little, um. We've basically, it's, we, we are going to launch now with, you know, what we have raised. Yeah. My focus has been, and so again, being very lean always. Yeah. Um, my focus isn't on raising money. I know that once we get to market, we'll be generating revenue [00:19:00] from day one.
So I don't want to raise anymore at this stage. Not to say that won't. Change in the near future, but right now we have what we need to get to market. Okay. I wanna talk about luxury and the market. Yes. And the consumer. Yes. When you're building a business in the luxury space, what are some of the most important things that you need to build as a brand reputationally, to be able to attract that customer?
Because I'm seeing like quite a few. New brands popping up in luxury that are doing really great things. Yeah, real fine studio. I'm about to speak with the founder of that brand. She's one example. You're another example. Yeah. How are you doing this? So, for me, when I think of the luxury consumer, I think who, it's like, where do I want, where do I wanna start with this response?
I think for me, you know, personalization is the key. It's, it's what everyone is speaking about of being. That's what the luxury consumer is looking for. A very personalized experience. [00:20:00] Um, but speaking more specifically to like my clientele, I know what's important to them. I know that, for example, speed is by far the most important part of their world.
They are time poor. Anything that they're dealing with, if we can make it quick and easy and seamless, like that is very enticing for them. I think also, you know, it's professionalism. Amplified to another level. , I see, you know, a lot of what we do now, it's all social media businesses and I've seen some things and I'm like, it's, you know, you need to invest in the basics of the website and the, the.
Presentation is truly everything from the logo to the email address. Like we're not using Gmail email addresses, like those little tiny things that I still do see happening. It's not going to attract the right clientele. Um, but I do really think at the end of the day comes down to personalization, personal relationships with these clients beyond, you know, just.
Obviously [00:21:00] servicing them, but really diving into a personal part of it. So I think for me, one question that has always come up is, you know, why do you operate on Instagram? And I could go on for a while about this, but one part is that I love being able to see my clients straight away from their profile.
I can, you know, connect with them so much more deeply as opposed to if they email me that interaction's a little bit blurred because I don't know who I'm speaking to. So that's interesting. Yeah. So that's, um. Something that's just helped myself personally in building. I was, um, I was speaking with a founder of, he's, he runs an agency.
Um, about how he's been building the business. Yeah. And he was talking to me about the opportunity in dms. Yes. And how that they have a team of people that all they do is run their dms. Yeah. And that's actually one of their like big, like, um, a big part of their funnel is engaging with people in direct message.
And it's always interesting to me to think about how many people are missing that when you get a new follower, when you get like [00:22:00] to, to not have that like, engagement in, in direct message. Yeah. I. Whoever said that I could like truly cannot vouch strongly, like more strongly on that. To the point of, you know, we, our dms are so sharp, they're color coded, they're flagged, they're organized like that.
Didn't even know you could do that. Yes. Oh, that inbox is so clean. It's not funny because that's our entire business. Yeah. And to me, again, it just goes back to, you know, customer acquisition as a whole. We acquire these luxury consumers through social media. Mm-hmm. They are. On social media, but we're meeting them where they're at.
So the fact that it's happening in the dms and we can provide this like amplified incredible service through the app that they're using, it's pretty hard to, to not want to. Consume and be a part of that from the client side. I can totally see how expecting them to move off that onto another platform or email, like immediately.
It's like, eh, too. Like too hard. Too much. Yeah, too hard. Yep. Unless like, and that's where it's like a, we're gonna [00:23:00] have to put a lot of strategy into what would entice them to move. Uh, because again, like six years worth of pay gab, can you find me this in a dm? And then now to download an app and log it, it's, it's, it's not an overnight.
Move for sure. Do you know what I'm so impressed about? Your story is the fact that you've trained a team of people to have your standard of work. Yeah. That is so hard to do. Yeah. How have you done that? Because you obviously cannot make, like, you can't make mistakes with a luxury client. Yes. How have you built that team?
Oh, that's a great question. Um, I definitely, I do take pride in that. I think that, you know, I, um, I'm, it's something that I'm. I'm not easy on, I would say that I am very, you know, particular about the communication style and everything, like you said. Mm-hmm. Mistakes can't happen. Yeah. Um, I would just say that, you know, I, I lead by example.
There is, you know, they see the way [00:24:00] that I interact and it's not that I've, you know, hate the word clone, but you really are cloning the gab style of communication. You're setting the standard. Exactly. Exactly. That's it. And my standard is. Very high. Yeah. Good for you. Um, and I'm so, like, I truly have the best team in the world.
That's one thing. I've, if someone was like, what do you think you're good at? I would say hiring is something that I am, like I have many, um, not thing like great things that I'm not the best at, but hiring, I certainly know how to hire well and like higher top talent and Yeah, like setting that standard leading by example.
I'm really proud of my team. Okay. How do you hire top talent? This is a deviation from where I was going, but I need to know. Yes. Okay. So I, communication to me is everything. Mm-hmm. Written and verbal, so I can tell immediately from an email if I'm no, like, I'm not even going to. Go into, , a conversation with them.
A written email to me is so paramount because [00:25:00] of everything in GAA world is about communication, both written and verbal, specifically written if there are mistakes in that email. Mm-hmm. Grammar mistakes. It's an immediate no. Like I wouldn't, even if I, they're a standout person. I can't have, going back to standards, I can't have those mistakes.
I'm very particular about that. Um, so communication to me is number one, I think, um, personality, I think fin you know, when you, and the way that you, you know, interact, we are a client-based business. Yeah. So we want individuals that are friendly and, and positive and kind. I think it's like, it may seem.
Silly, but I really look for kindness and I can feel that, I can see in my conversations with them, um, genuine like people is what I'm really looking for. , and then I think lastly it's just, it comes back to speed and everything that we do. Being so fast paced, multitasking and, and having the ability to multitask and, and operate at a [00:26:00] fast paced level is something that I really strive to look for.
And. You know, I can tell pretty quickly who has that. You're doing a great job. I wanna talk about pr. You've had amazing press. You've been in Forbes twice. Yes. Vanity Fair, Vogue. Yes. But you don't have a publicist. No. So when was your first kind of big press piece? How did that happen? And then talk us through your press strategy, because I'm sure this is helping with.
Getting that luxury client as well. For sure. Yes. And it's building, it helps build the trust. Mm-hmm. If, if I'm a, if I'm, if they can see that, they can feel more. Okay, this is good. You know, buying off social media too is a whole nother thing of like, here's my money. Yes. And you wanna do that with someone that you trust.
Um, so yes. My first article was immediately after the Rosie Huntington Whiteley story, and it was through Vogue America. And they said, you know, it was like the next day it said. Rosie has just found the secret to finding old salon. Did you just wake up and see this? I didn't. Did anyone reach out? Oh my God, no.
No one reached [00:27:00] again. Nope. I It was, it was there. That's amazing. Yeah, I know. And then very shortly after Australia covered, I think it was Harper's from Australia that covered it. Australia loves to, loves to give you attention after the US has, oh, you need to go make it somewhere else first. Yes, this is true.
Yes. Um, so. Yeah, essentially from there, you know, I had my, my first couple of ones, but then I think over the years, it wasn't until, so that happened in beginning of 2019, I would say it was more towards end of 2019. Mm-hmm. That I took a real big focus on the power of PR and like. , how important it was to me and my story and, and to build that trust and to build that reputation.
But I did a lot of research as to, you know, who's journalists, who's working where I remember, you know, how I even got some of my first ones I DMed them , and I'm sure they do get a lot of dms, so I thinking like things as, , keep it short and sweet, straight to the point. Mm-hmm. No long essays.
Just say what you need to [00:28:00] say. . That's how I did get some of my stories over time. Queen of the dms? Yeah. Oh gosh. Queen of the dms. Yeah. That's it. Yes. All the magic happens at the dms. And for, uh, for everyone listening, we also have a free download that has a list of PR contacts, uh, that cover consumer brands and female founders.
We've got their Instagram link and the emails for most of them and, um, the different publications that they work for. So go on, download that if you're gonna DIY, pr. I love it. That's amazing. I wanna know what your end game is like, what's the end goal here? As you kind of like sit back and zoom out and think about the vision?
'cause you're obviously like you are, you are building something that's scalable and I'm guessing you can exit one day. Yes. Because sourced by does not have your name. That's exactly it. Yeah. Yes, yes. Uh, great question. So I think, you know, going back to kinda my gab journey, one mistake, regret. That I have is, you know, calling it my own name.
Yeah. That's comes with its challenges for exiting. So [00:29:00] source buy certainly is a, a smart big enhancer for that. Uh, but for me, I think, you know, I'm so passionate about this industry and as you know, feeling that I'm pioneer it to what it is now. I'm so focused on continuing to like, innovate in it and. My As I sit here now, like my, my goal and my vision is I just wanna constantly inspire that, you know, people within fashion can look at me and be like, I wanna be a saucer.
Like I wanna be love that the Gab Waller of the next Gab Waller. And I'm like, with source by, we're allowing that to happen. Um, so I just wanna continue to grow this industry as high as it can, can go. I think, you know, even in conversations when I meet someone new, like, hi, you know, my name's Gab and. Even saying I'm a fashion saucer, there's still so much that needs to be done on education in this industry.
Mm-hmm. Because I feel more comfortable saying, hi, I'm a personal shopper. Yes. Because that's such a well-known term. But I don't wanna stop until I can [00:30:00] introduce myself confidently and say I'm a fashion sourcer and the person that I'm speaking to. Immediately knows what that is. So that's one random end game goal of mine that I would love to get to.
Can you leave us with a couple of resources, stuff that's helped you as you've been building and upleveling as a leader and a founder? Yes. Um, so I think for me, my focus for this year is, is massively on prioritization with time. I'm huge on time. So I think like really honoring your calendar. Time blocking.
Mm-hmm. Time management's been so pivotal to me. I'm huge on time blocking. Yeah. So color coding and et cetera, et cetera. Um, to get as much as you want and can get out of your day. Um, love reading. I'm obviously reading a lot of tech books at the moment, but a classic that I love is like Diary of a CEO.
Yeah. Love Steven. So, um, that's one that I would absolutely recommend. And then, you know, Substack, there are so many founders now that have incredible substack Lindsay Carter from [00:31:00] Set Active. She just posted one this morning that I was, , reading, which is just phenomenal. I think, you know, if where, wherever you're at in your journey, you know, find.
Founders that you connect with and look into where they're sharing resources. A lot of them do have substack, a lot of them have newsletters. Um, and kind of get to know them more and get inspired from them that way. I love that. I like the idea of, um, you can kind of pick these parasocial mentors. That's something that I've definitely done where there are a lot of people that I'd love to learn from that just have never responded to an email.
But they've done so many podcasts. Yes. And they've the. YouTube like workshop that they've done and I can follow them on social. And you do get this mentorship just by consuming the content that they put out there. Yes. So I do think it can like real, that's like really good advice. Just like pick the people that you wanna learn from and then just like go deep on what they've published.
A hundred percent. Yeah. I love that. I love doing that for myself. Yes. Gab, thank you so much for coming on the show and congrats on everything you've built. I can't wait to see the app launch. Thank you for having me.
